61 – Bhangra Blowout 2022 Dancer Review

Cool welcome everybody to another

episode of the Barnardo podcast.

This is Sid I'm here with Fujin

from Georgia tech and Uber.

Uh, and we are here to talk about

Uh, sort of do just a quick recap.

We have one of the judges and one of

the team members.

Uh, so I just, I just want to

talk about what the goal of this

podcast is today.

And th the point of this podcast is

not to blast, blow out, uh, people.

Are doing the best they can.

Uh, all of us, every single person

out there is doing the best they can.

It's not to blast anybody past the

committee, but it's like none of that.

This is to take an experience and let's

learn from this experience, future

blog committee, you know, feature, any

committee, take some of these experiences

at boudin at Ooma.

We're going to talk about, and

let's just get better, right.

That, that that's the whole point,

you know, and I just want to make that

clear out the gate, uh, that this is the

point of our, of us making this podcast.

Uh, so we'll get into it.

Um, and after blow, it was done,

uh, uh, as, as I said before, Uber

was a judge and.

There were, he heard a lot of things from

the team captains.

I'm sure the other judges did too.

The team captains, what seemed to went

through quite a bit, uh, when it, when

it came to, uh, just logistically working

with the competition and just various

things that happened through the weekend.

So, uh, we got put into a group me,

uh, and you know, bunch of different

captains that we're not going to name

a spoon was one of them though, uh, got

on the group me and started just saying

like what happened?

Right.

And so, you know, we're like, okay.

So if anybody wants to come on and

talk about this, we can talk about it

because you know, something just needs

to be said, as we, as, as, as I said

before, we want the circuit to be, uh,

you know, as good as it possibly can be.

And you can't do that.

If you don't learn from it, if you

don't learn from experiences and

things like this, I promise you if

like 45 posts on BTF of just people

complaining and just like talking about

their experience.

Uh, but I guess the podcast is

all we have today.

So, so, so be it, this is where it's

going to happen.

Uh, so, uh, want to start, we're just

going to go through a quick timeline

of the, uh, of what it was like from a

Buddhist perspective as a captain, and

then his perspective as a judge.

Yeah.

So I got a call and was told that

I got selected to judge blowout, um,

March like March 11th, like about

a month before the competition, um,

give or take like a few days and

quick.

What was the date of the show?

April

I it was April 2nd.

Okay.

2nd.

Okay.

All right.

So you got, you got, you got told

to March 11 and the shows April 2nd

Yeah.

I.

boudin boudin.

When did you find out who was judging?

we found out who was judged.

I think it was whenever they

posted on Instagram for the public.

That's when we found

Okay, got

not like

So here, actually, I have

to pull up the email cause I don't

want to misquote anything, but once

I got the email, I was a little

confused about the whole process.

They, so they sent us the old rubric

and it's, it's clear for me when

I was looking at this, I was like,

the circus changed a little bit in

terms of like rubric formats and like the

wording of things.

So I wanted to make sure that the rubric

was updated and kind of up to snuff

with how everybody else kind of looks

at rubric nowadays.

Um, but the way they want it to

make changes, it was really weird.

So in order to prevent like biases

amongst judges, they didn't tell

us who the other judges were prior

to the competition.

And then also they wanted the

rubric changes, suggestions to be

anonymous, I guess.

So they asked us all to apply to

the email with the rubric changes,

and then they would decide what

the changes to the rubric were.

And then they, again, like your

wording of the email is very vague, but

it, it implied that we will announce

the changes to you, the judges, and

then also to the dancers on the pre

comp judges call and like all at once.

So like, I'll find out like who the

other judges are, who the other,

and then what the rubric is all at

the same time.

Well, not cool.

Um, I will say, and like, I, I do

want to make sure this is clear.

Like one thing that was really, I had

a phone call with one of the directors

and they were very, very honest and

very open about, um, like, like they

basically said, one of them was like,

basically I was like, yo, this guy

was a DRP liaison.

The ligate last, when they one blow

up, that was the first blog that

I was a part of.

And then two years later in I'm

director, like, I am like, I understand

that I did a lot of learning that

I need to do and things like that.

We want to make this the best

show possible.

And so they made a lot of changes.

Like at least, like, they were

very, at least from my perspective,

from the judging perspective, they

were fairly flexible with what they were,

uh, willing to do.

Um, they, after that conversation,

they just like the conversation.

I think like a week later they're

like, okay, we'll just like, make

a group chat.

We'll just like, let you all talk and

then figure it out.

Unfortunately, because of the

timing we weren't able to get like.

Judges with the director's

call set up in time before the

prejudges team call.

So all the changes that were made

were just like suggestions

on WhatsApp.

And it was kind of like, it was

really like back and forth, back and

forth, put like very asynchronous and

things like that.

So it was really unwell.

Like it was really unorganized

and like, yeah.

So, so yeah.

And then I think, the rubric was

announced like on that call, like

sometime like late March, I feel like

the last week of March or something

like 10 days before the competition and

felt really bad.

uh, it was also kind of out of our hands,

like the changes need to see me, but

also like, they, they, they gave us

a call three weeks for the competition.

Like there's not much else I could

do in that sense, but, um, yeah,

so that's, that's kind of just like

some basic stuff.

So I think, uh, you know, to not,

to, to try to put it as, as nicely,

but not lightly as possible is, is this

is not ideal from a team's perspective

to not know what the rubric or the judges

who the judges are.

Uh, more than two weeks away

from the show.

It's a Buddha.

And I don't know when you got the

rubric and you don't need to go through

your email rummaging for it, but just

knowing that you got into the show four

weeks prior to you still didn't have.

You know, uh, that's obviously

that you didn't get you for four weeks

away is way too.

Like I would have been hollering,

hooting and hollering the

community and be like, where's

the rubric at?

Who are the judges?

Um, and, and I looked at the

Instagram while you guys were talking

and March 23rd.

So two weeks before the show,

they announced who the judges were.

Um, secondly, social first from a

team's perspective, that's not ideal.

I don't know how to prepare my team

for whatever the rubric is and who

the judges are.

Uh, no matter what anybody says, um,

the rubric dictates a lot about, you

know, what is going to happen at

the show period.

I don't care who the judges are, but if,

and if the judges aren't following

the rubric, that's also a problem, but

the rubric should be dictating what

the bias of the competition is.

And then at the same time, the judges

are all human.

They are their natural

personalities.

Uh, I mean, people do do their

research about who should have

specific judges.

And how to tailor a specific moments

of specific things.

And I, I could talk, I could rant

into a whole rant about that catering

specific, you know, even if you're, even

if you're trying to cater to a folk

judge, and you're a, a, a modern team,

just knowing that you have a folk

judge on the panel changes the way

that you prepare for that judge.

It just, that's just how it is.

So not knowing those things just

isn't good from a competitive

perspective, uh, from the judges,

from the judges side, uh, not

knowing who my fellow judges

are, you know, that's that, that,

that long away just sounds like

something archaic at this point.

It sounds like something that

where they just used to show up.

Probably didn't even know what the

rubric was never talked to the teams

before, um, Bush.

And it just also doesn't sound like

they had, do they have a cold call

with the judges and the teams at all

before the show?

Or did that happen?

They did.

And yeah.

Like, I think a couple of days

after the rubric was revealed, but

yeah, I'm already,

that happened.

already, we're coming into

the comp plate.

And then there was like one rule on the

rubric where it's like, you know, we

need to have seven minutes of dancing

and it wasn't in the red packet

or communicated earlier.

And that was like a big place where

we were like, oh, you know, I think

a lot of teams are sort of in that

boat where they were like, yo, um, kinda,

put it in the packet and

now it's yeah.

dad was, um, Yeah.

that was one thing that, um, that did

like to be fairly honest, that did

play a factor into judging.

we just kind of like when it came

to like time limit, like we just put

the same time of it.

They had in the other rubric.

Like, I didn't really care about

it too much, but I'm like, they're

like, you may notice watching the videos.

Uh, there were a lot of really long

shares and they also started dancing

during the share so that it was like

active dancing, like during the share

so that it counted towards the end.

And, um, I know I'll be specifically

called out.

I think maybe I think actually GT

specifically, they said like, Hey,

like that share was like really long.

And like, I didn't really like,

love it so much.

And then we only found out after

the fact, like during the judges

meeting, after the competition, it's

like, oh Yeah, we had to, because

that's seven minute thing where

it was like, ah, no, that's whack.

Yeah.

Yeah.

I mean, again, just, you know, not to

distill what's the toast, the takeaway

it's just like, give your teams enough

time to prepare, you know, to, to

know your judge's only two weeks away

is, is not right.

It's just not right.

Uh, and number two, that not

having a rubric.

Uh, more than a month away is

just not right.

And from the judges side of

things, you know,

uh, we need to be, to talk about

it, especially if you want us on

the same page, we need to be able

to talk about it.

Right.

Just saying, just saying that, okay,

you guys just make your suggestions

and we'll decide what, what we take.

Well, even if I make a suggestion, the

written word is not the spoken word.

Right.

And we need to talk about the

written word so that the written

word means the same thing to all of us.

And then we, then we communicate that

to the teams, which is why I need to

have the judges meeting with the

teams more than a month and a half

away from the show.

So the combination of all these things

is why, like, you know, again, you

could have given me that if I was

an Uber and whoever else's shoes, you

could have given me the rubric,

but I would have been like, okay,

what exactly does this mean?

If you were telling me like, like if

I, and especially if I, if I read it

and I, if I don't know what exactly

what it means, I'm going to ask

you what it means.

And I'm going to ask everybody else

what it means.

So that we're on the same page, because

the last thing we all need is boudin

to come into a judge's meeting.

And I say one thing, because I

interpreted the rubric one way

and then Umar says another thing.

Cause he interpreted the rubric

another way.

That's, that's just what you don't want.

And that's what we should be able to

tie as the judges, we should be to

talk it through with each other,

whatever conclusions we come to.

That's great.

And then we can write it the way we

want it, write it.

And we're all on the same page.

So take away, get your judges lined up

and done, you know, as early as humanly

possible, like as early as humanly

possible, I get asked to judge NDC

in like November and the show's not till

mid-March right.

So, um, so show, so for actual show

day, um, I could, I could read one

of these quotes.

It's just, again, in this group, me,

I was, I was reading this stuff and I

was just like, dang.

Teams went through some stuff.

And again, I told Pooja before we

started recording, this is not the

worst experience that someone has

ever had on the partner circuit.

There's no chance it's not even close.

Like there are worse Bombardier

experiences, but this is, but

this isn't good.

Uh, and, and for blowout again,

we got it.

We got to figure this out.

Cause you guys are the longest and the

most oldest show, the collegiate

championship, you guys need to

be here forever.

And you know, we want you

to be better.

So, um, Fujin, if you want to talk

about, um, you know, it like show

day, uh, mixer show day, like when you

were in DC kind at least walk us

through some of the issues that you guys

are running into.

Yeah.

Um, I think one of the things, uh, that

was like unique, I remember was

talking about this too, when he saw it

in the group chat was like liaisons

were like given a very specific rule.

It was a very good intention, but

like, they were just told to like, yo,

do not leave teams unattended under

any circumstance.

Right.

And like, Well-meaning rule.

And then apparently some of the liaisons

on other teams were taking it a little

too seriously.

And like some of the other teams are

saying like, yo, the liaisons were

like following us into the bathrooms

where the bathrooms are like next door

to our practice space or whatever.

And you know, just like some of the

liaisons are a lot more stickler about

it than our team had to deal with.

Our team was like a little annoying,

but apparently other teams had

to take a lot of.

I a lot worse than we did.

I said, so I was talking to one

of the board members and they swore they

specific, they told me that some of the.

Some person in leadership

specifically told the teams, like, you

need to follow them into the bathroom.

You need to like follow them

everywhere they go.

Like, as like, again, probably

well-intentioned, but I'm not really

sure where that idea came into mind.

So like that, that wasn't something

like the liaisons all just like

collectively decided to do.

And like, that was something they

were told to do.

I was like, someone on board

had a really bad experience with

like a team or a dancer at some

show sometime along the way.

And they were like, don't leave

the teams ever.

I can't imagine what, like honest,

I can't imagine what that experience

is that they're telling them to

like go into the bathroom with them.

What I don't even know what unintended

means, to be honest with you.

Um, because we're all here, you know,

all competition committees, we are

there to dance.

We're not here for anything else.

All we are doing all day is preparing

for your show and trying to put on the

best show possible for your audience.

So there is nothing else that we are

doing than that.

And, you know, bio, we will handle our

team and because every I've been a

captain for so long, I have plenty of

idiots, my team, but we'll handle that.

You don't need to worry about that,

who follow them into the bathroom.

To kind of go off of that.

And this is a a anecdote that one

of the teams told me um, so one of

the teams was trying to get ready for

the competition.

And they were told they were wanting

to warm up before the comp comp.

But like, I think because of COVID

restrictions, they weren't allowed to

be like side stage a warming up, which

understandable, like there's only

a certain amount of people you're

allowed, like backstay side stage.

So to say that he can't do that.

Um, so they want, they were just

going to like, okay, let's just warm

up, out front, out in front in the,

like the lobby ish area, but okay.

Um, So

what happened next was they were,

they asked as it's like, Hey, yo, can

you like, let us know like three,

four teens ahead of time so that

we can go warm up and they're like,

no, whatever, et cetera, et cetera.

So a little bit further along, um,

it, it's not like one or two teams

before the, before.

And the captain is very insistent.

Like, listen, I'm like walking out

the door right now with my team.

Like, we're going to go warm up because

we're about to go compete liaison.

So like you have not been called

side stage of knock.

I've not been called backstage.

You must watch the performances

and sit and stay in your seats.

Um, it got to the point where the

liaison wa S took the props from the

team, barricaded themselves between

the team and the doors leading

out into the lobby and say,

you cannot leave.

And so this just team, unfortunately

I have to dance.

Which sucks.

And, uh, talking to a board member

asking like about that was like,

what the heck was that about?

And apparently they were specifically

told, barricade yourself in front of

the door to not let anybody, any team

leave the auditorium because you have to

watch all, they were insistent upon the

teams watching all the performances.

Um, but Yeah.

that was, again, all that.

I'll be honest.

I'm not really sure where the intention

was or where, what the idea behind

that was, but.

Takeaway from that story.

If you are, if you're a team

one, you do, don't do not make the

dancers, watch all performances.

If they don't want to, like, if they

get psyched out, let them do what

they want to do to provide some space.

Even if it is just like a lobby out

front or like, I don't know, some,

some kind of like stairwells something

where they can just kind of like

hop in place or do something to kind

of warm up, provide some kind of space

to warm up right before they go,

like, like 2, 3, 4 performance ahead of

time because dancing cold is the worst.

Yeah.

I, I have, I'm not going to name

names, but there are other teams

that have competing as that when told,

um, you know, to be forced to watch the

show, they said, we will not like we do

not watch the show.

Like they do not watch anything.

Like this, this team does not

watch anybody.

And I remember the committee being

saying, well, you have to here.

And the, the, the coach of the team

was like, we will not watch the show.

Like I promise.

She said to her, I promise you.

You tell me what time we need to

be side stage.

We will be side stage.

You will have no problem.

We will dance.

We will perform.

Everything will be good.

We can get ready of the hotel.

We'll hang out at the hotel.

We'll get warmed with hotel.

I'll drive everybody here at whatever

time you say some 55, we'll be here.

7 55.

And the, in the, the golden

know what to do.

And that's, we're all

competitors here.

We need, we all need to be in

our own flow.

Right?

We all need, we all have our own

ways of warming up.

And especially like, this is,

this is way too high intensity.

To allow dancers to only like five

minutes to warm up.

So yeah, that's, that's not good.

Don't do that to dancers that,

that ruins the show experience.

Oh, so one thing I did want to

ask specifically, so we were told by some

of the other, other teams that they

were specifically asked, like, Hey,

we need a full video of your routine.

Three to four weeks ahead of time.

And any day it was late, it was

a $20 late fee.

Um, why, what, like, what was,

what was, what was that all about?

So I believe in the red packet,

they were saying that that was in

the event that the comp went virtual

and you know, I get it in that case,

you need a video, not really sure why

you need a video one month in advance.

Um, A lot can change to your

set in one month, as we all know.

Um, I think our team really just ended

up, like, we just took one of our old

performances and just submitted it.

Like, we're not going to rush it,

make a new video for this deadline.

And we just prayed today.

It didn't go virtual.

And thankfully it didn't, but it's

like a good idea, but it's like, you

know, why, why do we need to do that?

Like a month in advance?

So I'm not really sure the

timing wise, but.

And Putin.

Can you speak to the, um, there's one

piece of all of this that, uh, that we

haven't touched upon yet is the pictures,

the requirement of pictures or

something, getting here, getting you

to spend on that.

I think first of all, um,

like kind of related to the pictures,

just like in general, scheduling

on Saturday, like tech time itself.

Ended pretty late.

Like I think our team got out of like

the stage rehearsal, tech time part.

I think we were done with that

at like 3:30 PM, which is like,

what, what was your,

I was seventh.

So second to last and the order and

like, it would make sense, like

if it's like a 16 team fusion bug

or a comp, like maybe it would make

sense, but like we have eight teams,

two exhibitions.

At that point is just like, you know,

like, do we really need to drag it

out of the song?

Like, could we not just push everything

up a little bit?

You know, that it was like the first

weird thing, like tech time ran super

late for eighteens to ex exhibitions.

But after that, it was like, it was

like at 6:00 PM, they were telling

us like, Hey, we have this like

teen pictures going on and then we're

going to be, it's going to be like a

mini team, social where you go and

like talk to other teams and then.

So they bait.

So basically what they were telling

you to do was that at six, 10, they

wanted you fully ready, bugs, tied,

everything ready to go so that you

could take this photo at six, 10.

And then go and sit in the audience for

the entire show for,

yeah,

was it, did they give

you a reason why the picture

was necessary?

no, I mean, it's always like,

oh, we need to take team pictures.

I don't remember the last time our

team has made a team picture that these

concert choir, like, I'll be honest.

I don't remember.

And when we do make it, I don't

even know where they get posted.

So, you know, like, Yeah.

that's fair.

Like, where, where are these?

Where are these T pictures?

You're

I guess in my one Facebook

group, like hidden away, like

nobody's going to see it anyways.

Like, but yeah, it was originally,

everybody needs to be ready, all

the plugs done.

And we're like, like, logistically,

that's not going to work out.

Like, this is my first year learning

how to time anyway.

So, you know, I'm a little rusty still

learning the road.

And, you know, it was just like,

we were going back and forth.

Yeah, I like, four.

So for any T for any comps out there,

Um, maybe not who haven't danced, who

have a desk bunker competitively,

or haven't been to a, for many

competitions.

It takes about 15 minutes to.

Like if you're good, like if you're like

really solid and like, got that shit

smack, like pat down, like yeah.

It's just about 15 minutes of type bug.

Um, it can be, and realistically, now

you're going to have retired like 2, 3, 4

bugs, like depending on how many bugs

are the tie, like it takes a long time.

And so, and that's just like one

piece then you gotta, you gotta

tie the formula and you gotta do

all this, all that pinning everything.

It takes a long time to get one like

one dancer ready.

So realistically, if your team is out

at three 30 and you tell them, okay, You

have three hours, right after you just

danced to eat lunch, go back and forth

from the hotel, come back, tile,

the bugs and six it's not feasible.

And also it's just a picture.

It's not that deep, like first and

foremost, like it's like, is your comp

going to make or break its social

media presence?

APAC team is not there.

You have the video, you can like get

pictures side stage on stage.

Things like that.

This is probably looks way cooler

than like a post, like, you know,

but, um, point being competitions,

fuck your pictures.

I it's like, it's not that big deep.

And if you really need it, just

like get them side stage and be

like peachy, like cheese them right

before they get on.

Like, if that's what you really

need, but.

work with the teams, like please like

just like listen to teams outlet, listen

to what they want.

Yeah.

Also, I'll say this, uh, I, I'm

not gonna say screw your pictures.

Cause if you really want your pictures,

then I think that you need to build in

enough time for the teams to get ready,

to be able to take their pictures and

then be ready to deal with the deal

with whichever team is going to be like,

listen, we're going last in the show.

We're not going to be ready at

five o'clock or whatever it is.

Right.

Uh, you gotta be ready to just

deal with that.

Um, one thing, one thing that was

brought up that was definitely

even like the play probably a really

big part in judging deliberations.

Was the backdrop.

Uh, what exactly were you told when

exactly were you told about all

these details about the backdrop and.

If I remember backdrop

was like, every calm does this,

where it's like, they have this like,

$15,000 screen.

And I'm just like, why can you just

move it a little bit further back?

And then we'd be chilling,

but whatever.

I mean, like, but you know, they

told us, I believe with the CAD, they

have like captain's meeting after mixer

where they usually give us a schedule

and stuff, but I think it was then

where they're like, yo, you know, really

make sure that your team doesn't touch

the backdrop or make sure they really

don't do that.

They really emphasize it there

with saying, okay, Um, yeah, that's

not like the first comedy to do so

they get Nashville.

Our team went there and they had similar

rules there, but it was like at

the cabins meeting on Friday, they

told us about it.

And you know, so some teams, I don't

think my team had much of an issue

with it, how the teams obviously

did, but yeah.

Um, so one thing that we were,

um, like some of the teams told us

was that, uh, the clarity and about

what was going to happen to them as

a team, if they had the backdrop

was very unclear.

Um, at first they were just kind of

saying like, kind of what you told me,

what you just said was like, just don't

hit it, please, please, please.

Don't hate.

It's very expensive.

And then at one point, uh, one

team was burning.

During their tech time and by

somebody on, on leadership saying

like, like screaming at them for like

four minutes, say like, do not

talk to backdrop, we're going to

find you $30,000.

And I think that like $30,000 number

kind of spread to like everybody

else, because every single book, every

single team that came in was just

like, Hey, so I know we hit this

backdrop judges, can you like help

us get out of this?

Fine.

I was like, I don't know what

to tell you.

I'm so sorry.

Um, that's like, that's like

super stressful.

I get it.

Like, it's a very expensive thing,

things like that.

But like, I don't know.

Um, they also didn't really tell us what

was going on with the backdrop in

terms of judging.

Like they just kind of told us

like, Hey, just letting you know,

this is back big backdrop thing.

Uh, we need you to take off points.

Um, and we kind of decided at the

judges meeting after talking to them that

we'll just take off three, but that's

one thing also, you mentioned that

after the team.

As a mixer, what there was some

issues with getting your schedules

Yeah.

Um,

apparently like they y'all

only got your, your schedules,

like 2:00 AM after y'all complaints

saying like, hi, I'd be all.

Don't want to show up at 6:00 AM.

Can you just give us our

Yeah.

Unlocked, unlocked a hidden

Yeah.

If you want to, if yeah, Yeah.

Go for It

but yeah, originally for tech

time there, like, it was really weird

cause they're like, Hey, all teams need

to be at like the practice center.

Like there's like a one building

right next to the venue where all the

dressing rooms were.

It was literally right across

the street, but they're like, all

teams need to be there at 9:30 AM.

And we're just like, especially the teams

later at tech time are like, why are

we showing up nine 30 just to like

sit in the dressing room for like four

hours, three hours?

Like, you know, we all told them that.

I think I was the first one.

I was like, I leave the rules a little.

I think you should give it a little

bit more leniency for the later teams.

But.

That was like the first weird rule

that they said at the meeting.

And like, we were all just sort of

like, yeah, we hear you, right.

Like we all got to be there at

nine 30, even if we're like eighth

in show order.

And then, you know, eventually

they changed that.

And then they sat on the schedule

really late because of that.

I don't know if it was like as

late as 2:00 AM, but it was pretty

late, you know?

Um, I did want to go over

some weirdness with the rules

for judging too.

So like I said, the wheat, the

whole thing, but eventually they

kind of backed down and said like,

okay, it's fine.

It's okay.

We can just, uh, like whatever,

however you want to adjust

the rubric and things like that.

Um, It was very panel, at least

from my perspective that they were very

caught up in like how blow has been

done in the past, what the rules

were in the past.

And therefore, like, that is what this

is going to be like, it's been done this

way for a long time.

So therefore we're going to continue

to do it this way.

Um, said I don't, I think, I don't

know if, like, I know you've judged

bloat a few times in the past, and I

don't know how you even remotely dealt

with like a lot of this stuff, because

like there's like these very, like,

very complicated rules about like

swapping teams in placings and

things like that.

They wanted.

All right.

So let's start with, they're

very weirdly.

Like we want you all to do paper judging

and they will all, you want, write

it, write it down.

I said, It got to a point where like,

they were so adamant about paper judging.

I was like, I'll just drop out

right now, man.

Like, I, like, I haven't booked

my ticket yet.

Like, it's fine.

Like I will, I will just drop out.

They came back to me the next

day and were like, okay, fine.

You can like, you can judge with

your computer.

Um, and it was like weird things like

that just constantly throughout where

they were just like, we need you to

follow exactly what this rule book says.

And because apparently this

is always the way it was done, which

I was like false.

I know sitting there for judges

with paper laws like that, like

there's no way he's ever done that.

And there's no way on Kush

was doing that.

There was no way uncle, she

was falling any of these rules.

He's just gonna like yell at you

and tell you, shut the fuck up.

I, I will say that I will

say this just, just to back up a

second, there were no rules for us.

It was, how should we, how should

we structure the rubric?

You guys tell us based on what,

you know, what we want the rubric

to look like, and then you guys write

it out and make, make the points.

So they give us the freedom to do that.

And, uh, you know, we, we also had

the freedom to decide what the

movement and swaps were looked like.

We, we, we all decided you can't

move more than one placing.

I think, I mean, I've never been

a part of a, of a panel where I could

move someone from like one to four or

something ridiculous like that.

Um, uh, You know, they gave it,

there was nothing, there was never a

moment where I've.

I mean, like there were, there were

problems with all with other blowouts

and that's fine.

Um, nothing like this though.

Nothing like with this whole, you

have to write it right on hand.

You have to, you know, do

this or do that.

Like, it was very much, you guys

are, the judges were trusted.

You know, we were bringing you here

for a reason.

Tell us what we need to do.

So you guys can judge this

Yeah.

And I think end of the day, like,

again, I want to give like blood

credit end of the day, like they

did acquiesce to like me bitching.

Um, but like, it, it was, it was annoying

because they're like, no, like,

like this whole swapping things.

But again, a lot of rules of judging

a lot of things like that that were

really annoying and like, listen,

take away comps.

You are bringing on teams.

You, I mean, say you bring on

judges, they dance for a long time.

They know what they're doing.

They've prob especially for

blowup, like they've judged before this

isn't the first time they know

what they're doing.

Let them judge the way they

want to judge.

Obviously like maybe just have a person

in a room to just kind of like, make

sure notion Nanigans and are happening.

But like, other than that, like let

them do their job.

Like that's what you brought them in for.

Also pay for their hotel and their pay

for their hotel and pay for the travel.

Like that's like bare minimum.

Did did, did block

They, at first they didn't,

and then we're just like, you're

paying for this.

Right.

And they're just like, oh, we didn't

think about that.

Let me go back.

And then like, okay.

Yeah.

we'll pay for it.

But like, that was like a thing that

was like, that was my first thing.

I was like, ah, this is this isn't

if there are any issues, but yeah,

Uh, and you know, I think that,

uh, it's just, uh, w we said everything.

I mean, in, in, in the BTF, uh,

Facebook group, it's whoever proves

that anymore.

There's a whole list.

There's a whole thread of it's

in the files of like how to run

a competition, read that through

multiple people have, have

contributed to that.

And I'm sure, you know, more, I

encourage anybody listening to this.

If you go read that contributed to

contribute to that yourself as well.

Uh, talking to add in adding something

that you think that would help

a competition be better and they

competitions, there's your,

there's your manual almost right.

Of just what to do and how to do it.

Uh, and just follow that and you're

gonna throw a grip.

You're gonna throw at least a show

that teams want to come back to.

Uh, and I, it doesn't sound

like based on this group, me, that,

that we, you know, we read through

these messages, no one seemed to

want to, you know, come back except

for the fact that it's a collegiate

championship.

And, you know, I don't think

blood is doing a rebranding or

anything like that.

It's just get it together

for next year.

Just write some standard operating

procedures, reach out to, you know,

old blog, uh, you know, chairs, you

know, 20 16, 20 17 in my opinion

were great.

I can't speak for anything after that.

Um, but if you want to reach out

to them, reach out to them, uh, read

that, read that thing and BTF, and

you'll know, you'll know what to do.

You will know what to do, and

if you still have.

I don't know, just reach out, reach out

to other, other old, older folks on the

circuit, people in your area to help

you like, just get some mentorship.

What we want you to have a great

show to all the judges, want you to

a great show that teams want you to

have a great show.

Everybody wants to show to be sold out.

Everybody wants all the teams

do really well.

Like everybody wants the best.

Right.

But if it's just going to be this

like, well, you have to do this,

you can't do that.

It's just not going to, you're not

going to get the ball rolling in the

right direction.

So that's the end of my rant.

Thank you.

Bogin for coming on just here,

it.

And I just

think that, you know, at the end of

the day it was our team's first year

at blah this year, and then it was

still a great time.

I mean, think it's our first year.

So we're always going to look back

on it a little bit fondly, but.

And I think in general, you know,

any other team, my position is up.

They can have better first time

or Bette better.

15 time.

Doesn't matter.

Like we should all just strive for a

better experience as a whole.

Yeah.

Yeah, absolutely.

Absolutely.

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