80 – Competition Best Practices: Bhangra at the Alamo

This is The Bhangra Podcast stop y'all.

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And welcome to another episode

of The Bhangra Podcast.

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And today we're going to be talking to

the co-directors of bhangra at the Alamo

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and talk about their experiences

running the award winning competition.

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And hopefully you can learn

some of their best practices.

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All right, let's get into it.

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my name is ample.

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I am the director,

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one of the directors of bhangra

at the Alamo.

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I mean, it was a smash.

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And the other director, thing.

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That girl.

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Awesome.

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And so these two are.

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We've actually competed

against each other back when we.

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At least I first started dancing

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I was back then, I was on Steel City.

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They were, you know, on Alamo.

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And you kind of gone back and forth

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on these guys for a while, and it's

awesome to see a lot of competition.

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And also my favorite competition that's active right now, like absolutely won. And,

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they won

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best Best Foreign Competition

at the Summer awards.

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And overall, just as a competition

I've heard just rave reviews

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from absolutely everybody,

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whether it comes from communication,

mixer, sponsors, like every

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from every aspect of this competition,

it has had nothing but praise.

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And the reason I wanted to put them on

today was just to kind of

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get an idea of how they ran the comp.

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One lessons can be learned.

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What lessons can be gleaned

from their experience, and how other comps

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can copy this experience and hopefully

adapted to their own practices.

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So I guess, first and foremost,

why did you guys start like,

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what was the reason you guys started Alamo

on the first date in the first place?

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I think I think for me it was just like

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I said, it was just on my bucket

list as the only person.

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yeah.

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And, yes.

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I don't want you on vision

for the longest time.

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And I think after the pandemic kind of hit

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and I wanted to insane

comes forward happening.

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I think you just kind of took that time

to, like,

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actually sit down

and talk about it and plan it out,

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and then, you know, once restrictions

started lifting,

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trying to just find a venue

and kind of like, build it organically.

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We didn't really know what we were doing

initially.

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And, but yeah, it was just me.

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I realized you for a long time,

and I think, I think Texas

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definitely deserved it.

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On the mission of our foundation.

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And, yeah, I just want to throw a

really good one specially, in the South.

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I think we

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but we were so young

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then we had one meeting

about throwing a competition,

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and like one of our friends dorm rooms,

and we never talked about it after that.

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I don't know if you remember that

the finish it was, it was in Rama's dorm,

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but we like we talked about doing a comp

and we after that day,

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we never talked about it because I think

we were still a little young and

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and still I was still in college.

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And you don't have the skills or resources

or money to develop the competition.

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But, I think after the pandemic,

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we weren't dancing.

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We had a lot of free time.

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Yeah,

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look, we started looking at venues

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and no one was responding to us actually,

but we just started there.

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We started looking at venues

and getting a price.

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And we also like wanted to combine.

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And like we always talk about our

two favorite or three favorite clubs.

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So we just wanted to like combine

our like knowledge

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and accomplishment

to throughout the ten years

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I've been dancing

and put it all together into.

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So what were those?

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What were those influences?

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How the what were those comps, as

you kind of drew inspiration

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from?

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my first comp that I really, really loved

was the Notorious Vanguard.

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it wasn't the best run comp,

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but our liaison was the best

liaison I've ever had in my entire life.

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And he made that experience that good.

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So of of Sheen,

if he's still around and he was so good to

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so he made that experience so good.

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little

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fun fact that the Compton have t shirts

and they like last day

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put like ironed on the logo on t shirts

and just handed it to us

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and we were like,

oh my God, it's not even that good.

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So I've seen handmade new t shirts for us

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with our names on the back

and sent them out to Texas.

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Yeah.

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So that's

that's the best liaison experience.

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So that's one of them.

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So that's kind of what we took

that look at. Lee is on.

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He makes the experience.

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It doesn't matter like how great

the comp is or where the comp is.

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It's the liaison

that makes or breaks it for you.

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An English maybe you can talk quite a bit.

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Oh God.

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Yeah.

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I mean, that was just like,

I think I was the first time Tucson.

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We ran t where like,

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you kind of feel like money was no object.

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just because, like,

the grand scale of the mixer.

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And I was at leasing and, like,

the venue was fantastic.

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And like, I think we got, like, a party

bus, the after party that.

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Yeah.

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got a theme.

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So for people who don't know teed up

and that was ran by releasing

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who who's a YouTuber

and now doing other things.

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But she ran this formerly a competition

and the theme was circus.

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Yeah.

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So that was the entire theme

throughout the entire weekend.

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Yeah.

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And you had to include,

some sort of circus gimmick in there.

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So which is interesting.

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Think so?

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It was, it was so grand,

like the mixer had bouncy castles in it.

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The mixer had like circus games

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and like carnival games and it like, it's

something I've never even seen.

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And this is like my third comp,

so I'm like already so spoiled.

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You think from like

I went from like fun little bird to t dot.

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so like that was a big factor in that.

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Like how money can bring in a lot

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like the experience just gets better

when you have money in your pocket

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and like anything else in life, I guess.

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Yeah, yeah.

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It's I think other comps,

we were just like

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biography where I think I would talk about

just been there.

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He was just very involved

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as a director with the teams,

and he would come and check on us.

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So that was a good like example

of how a director can be approachable.

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You can, he can also like show up to your

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like tech time, like he was just around

and he made us feel like we were at home.

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And the last comp

that we drew inspiration from was RDR.

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I don't think it was the all girls

competition.

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that happened in DC,

and I actually got to judge that.

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That was really

cool. But a lot of our like,

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I think we took inspiration from them.

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I loved the way they ran it.

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So we actually sat down with End of Need,

who was one of the directors

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or one of the board members,

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and she gave us a lot of tips

and tricks on how to budget

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and how to have a schedule,

like what kind of schedule you need.

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They were so organized, so we

we took a lot from them as well.

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Yeah, we also I my yeah.

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With just been there too

and just like how

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he ran fever and this was all leading up

to like our first night.

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So we definitely talk to.

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But we had Martin in the circuit

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Walter Lloyd also.

And we started our comp.

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So shout out to those guys to open up and

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share

all that information, information on this.

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One question

that you have and I think this is a comp,

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this is an issue that plagues

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a lot of any competition,

whether they're just starting

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or they're getting getting ready for

the next year is just

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sponsorships, fundraising,

like when you're not, especially

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as a competition that is not attached

to a school that just kind of has

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a relatively easy source of funding.

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isn't attached, however,

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personally seems to have

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like has isn't

doesn't seem to be short of funds.

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It seems to run really well and run

just like any other competition.

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So I guess all I have is for anybody

who's out there maybe listening

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to this and thinking like, well, yeah,

I would love to get a competition.

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But like when we even start

getting the money to even like this

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or put like a down payment

to reserve the venue or anything like

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that, I know it.

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well, I think, I think what we had done

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initially was Nelson's a recommendation.

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Oh yeah.

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From like RDR,

I was trying to build a budget.

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Right.

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So just make a list of everything

that you can think of

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that would cost money to to throw up our

competition and like, put a number on it.

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And even if you go even if it's a guess,

let's put a number on it

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and then, you know, tally everything up

like you would tally things

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from like positive venue to like,

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you know, the cost, stickers

that we want to give to everybody.

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And they're making Easter baskets, like,

everything.

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And judges hotels, like judges flights,

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like cameramen, like flights and hotels.

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So, like,

we added all that up before we started,

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I think

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before

we even, like, signed for the venue.

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Yeah.

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So we just make, like a giant budget

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with every little detail thing

that's going to cost money.

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And then like, once you get that tally

and you have that giant number

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at the bottom, then you have like a goal,

like, okay, for us to throw this comp,

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we need to raise,

you know, X amount of dollars.

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And then from there, you know, what we did

is we built a fundraising packet.

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And you know, everybody on board

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was assigned a certain dollar amount

coming into the comp.

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So if you want more

then you had to hit your fundraising goal.

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and obviously,

like we all helped each other,

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talk to people and whatnot, but,

you know, said

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that 100% is is it

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comes out to be set community,

foreign competition.

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Yeah. Right. No community.

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in San Antonio, you know, supports us

in multiple different ways.

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obviously

fundraising is a big one of them,

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but we also do our best

to showcase their business, whatever

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it is, in multitude of ways

through our fundraising packets.

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and obviously invite them to the show.

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And like, you know, this is probably

the biggest lift, I think that we have,

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entering a competition is fundraising,

right?

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Because he can't really throw up

until you know that, hey,

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we're going to hit our budget number

that we put aside to today's competition.

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so on and so forth.

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I mean, if we're going from like,

the ground up,

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you know, and you're out there

and you want to throw a competition,

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I think the first thing you want to do

is figure out

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what your biggest expenditures can be,

and it's usually going to be your venue.

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So, you know, reach out a couple venues,

get some pricing and see where you're at,

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you know, and then from there

you can build your budget.

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That's going to be the biggest chunk

of money you're going to spend is

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on that event. Yes, yes.

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And I want to

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ask a little bit more,

a little bit more into the outreach thing.

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So this is actually an issue

I have with a lot of competitions where

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like because they're funded by the school,

they just kind of

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have it very easy in the sense that

they have fundraise, which is awesome.

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Like,

you know, you can run the competition,

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blah, blah, blah,

but then look in the audience

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and there's like 20 people there

and is an auditorium is empty.

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And I ask them like, yo,

where is everybody?

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It's like, oh no, like this

probably had a the team go anywhere.

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Did you post on anything

other than Instagram?

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And Facebook was like, no, why else would

what else would you do?

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You do

your own thing isn't on Facebook like

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like they don't follow whoever, like,

why aren't you going to the wall?

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Why am I in the must you do the television

or whatever the heck?

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Why are you like, table in there?

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perfect example.

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Okay, so brb first four years

if you watched any old burger videos like

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one through four, like it's standing room

only like that entire audience is packed.

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You cannot find a seat. It is crazy.

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and they would go table.

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They do all this stuff.

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And then I remember burn.

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My sophomore year.

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So I think those like, burn

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the the off beach up here.

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big ten.

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Yes. So they,

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so they which I think sit told them

they go to guys

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like you need to like go to them on theirs

and all that stuff.

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You need to go physically table

and then one of the uncles,

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apparently the director was like,

hey, oh, you guys are back.

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I have like,

I would I missed you guys know and we need

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you've been going on the past

ten years like, no, you haven't.

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I didn't know about it.

Let in the community.

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Yeah. But yeah.

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No. Strangely like didn't even know that.

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Do this like, this is such an easy dog.

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Just go sit there like you need to, like,

actually put

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like, any outreach,

it really needed something very important.

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And so other than just, you know, like,

I, I like what are some like,

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what are some things that you did

to like actually gone to community.

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Like it seems you guys have like obviously

does it live in John

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so long so maybe easier

just naturally think of like who I go to.

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But what is something like

what are some things

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that what are some techniques challenges.

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That's that's something else to learn from

you guys

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and what you did

in order to like better connect with

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that.

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It's like fill the stadium.

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I mean, auditoriums.

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Fill the auditorium, fill like whatever,

like getting donations, whatever.

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But like, honestly, I'd like you fill

the seats.

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You got money to.

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Yeah.

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Yeah, I think I think for us, we,

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Yeah.

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He's able you tables outside.

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that's I think we're, we,

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visited, like, all the Indian restaurants.

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you know, in the area,

we put up posters everywhere.

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Indian restaurants, Indian grocery stores.

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Yeah. And mean grocery stores.

You know, he's hot.

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So the people that are on them,

I mean, they're like,

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put up the post train ticket piece.

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you know, we like, hey,

this is happening.

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You know, I know drive people there like,

you literally like stick

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posters, you know, on the registers.

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So yeah, they'd be like, you can put it.

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And I was like, can I put it on here?

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Like,

where everyone checks out? Yeah. you.

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Know.

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Yeah,

we were a little annoying about it, but,

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you know, like you, I'm doing, you know,

one of the people that we went to to go

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for the poster ended up being a sponsor.

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So, you know, we are just like,

or anything that kind of happened.

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But, yeah, I mean, you just got gotta

you just really got to be out there.

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And I think to your point, yeah.

Like you can't just post on Instagram.

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You have to have conversations

with people.

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I think we also

you try to hit up a couple of like,

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Indian events that were happening

in the city like outlet.

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It was like a whole

event or something like that.

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you know, we try to hand out,

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literally just hang out.

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There's the people, like, if you were

interested in, talk to people.

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And surprisingly,

I mean, you get a lot of positive

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feedback and people are, like,

itching to go to something.

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and, you know, obviously, depending

on your price point where it might be,

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you know, we definitely make sure

that you don't want to pass out

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anyone right in charge,

some exorbitant amount for a ticket,

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you know, I mean, for us, it's

all general admission.

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Everything's the same.

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Everything's the same cost.

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You know, we want families to be able

to take their kids to something,

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where they can see

their culture showcased on stage.

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and so we don't want to, like,

make some crazy pricing up

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so you can have a pretty straightforward,

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and I think I think the other thing is,

is like, like we've been

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to competitions where they have like

these like ginormous auditoriums,

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which is like super grand looking,

but then like, yeah, it's your place.

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I'm going to quickly show up

and there's all that. Great.

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So yeah, you know,

that, is not the biggest auditorium

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at all,

but I think being able to feel it,

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you know, makes it feel that much better.

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so, you know, sometimes in a smaller

auditorium, you can fill it easier.

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Yeah, yeah.

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Like we we went to look at one this year

because we were just I was just curious

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And I was like, I will admit that selling

tickets is the hardest thing we do.

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And it requires a lot of time.

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Every weekend is is set aside

to go to the quarter and table there and,

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and talk to aunties and uncles like it's

hard like to like have to stop them

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and like tell them about a comp

and it's it's not easy.

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Like I understand it's awkward sometimes,

but you have to do it.

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I don't know if every conference

this way, but our, our auditorium

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uses Ticketmaster.

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Ticketmaster,

either you have to buy it online

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or you have to go physically to the venue

and we get to take it there.

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Yeah.

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So in our case, we know our Punjabi

community isn't going to go drive

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all the way to downtown

and buy one ticket for their family.

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So what I, what we do is

I kind of work around there.

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So I I'll go and pick up like 50 tickets

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before every Sunday

and we physically sell them to all right.

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We physically tickets out to them.

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So it's lot more convenient.

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And instead of using Ticketmaster,

as you know, they have a lot of fees.

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So like $30 tickets going to be $40

if you use the online method.

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But if you go buy a physical ticket

and just like possible,

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yeah, they're saving ten bucks and

they physically have the ticket already.

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So I think that kind of helps us,

I think more direct, like people.

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Nobody likes doing it on online,

I think not our,

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not like the go to the community.

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But yeah, we just want ten tickets

and they want

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they want to physically see them.

So give it to them. Yeah.

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Yeah.

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I think one other thing that we did was

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they kind of house and I think

a lot of times already kind of do this.

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But you know, if you're

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trying to think strategically,

how do I get more people in the seats?

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You know, why don't you just invite, like,

the local Unger Academy,

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you know, give them an exhibition slot or,

you know, their local team or,

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you know, so everybody wants to come

watch their kid form.

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Everybody wants to watch the farm.

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So, you know,

if you invite others to come exhibition,

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they're more than likely going

to bring people,

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with them who will obviously need a ticket

in order to see the show.

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So, you know, you can.

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Think

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heads teams because then their yeah,

their parent and their mom and dad comes.

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So that's two. People.

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okay.

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The kids teams and then they're going

they're grandparent parents.

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So as for the tickets already sold.

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So like we we make an effort

to showcase our academies here.

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Like this year we're going to showcase

our own academy as well as the Houston.

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Yeah.

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And so a lot of the kids are going to be

like they they're so excited.

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Like a lot of kids at our academy.

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Now for Alamos Academy, I can remember

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for DeLay's performance because they were

in the audience watching last year.

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And they like talk about like, oh,

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I remember that move they did

that we're showing them.

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So it's all the me like this.

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Like, I like this organic circle

of like my impressions.

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Yeah. So,

they're like the little kids and.

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Yeah.

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Bentonville was too hard. Oh, God.

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We teared up like that.

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Yeah. Oh.

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That's awesome.

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yeah. No. Yeah. Because likely.

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Yeah. No, no, no. Go ahead, go ahead.

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Now I just think about

it is really like it makes art like

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it really helps our community.

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Like, we have 50 to 60 people

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that adults want to learn,

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and we wouldn't know that, but it's it's

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really because of all the teams that come

and they showcase their talent on stage.

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And not everyone wants to be like them.

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Oh that's cool.

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Wow. Okay, cool.

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That's that's fantastic.

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Yeah.

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No, I mean like, Amber, I was on the go

to, like, with champs and CIA.

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Like,

that was a thought that was like CIA.

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Rob basically winning

champs was a huge thing for them.

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I've been bothering, some to, like,

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get a cop in Detroit for,

like, the exact same reason.

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I don't really think arts folks,

like, are, like, working on something.

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It's often

that is a really, like, fortuitous circle

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that just keeps feeding

itself. It's really great.

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I don't know any more questions, though,

like selling tickets.

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And I kind of wanted to move on

to some of the

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the things that the circuit cares

about a little bit more.

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And that's, justice. so

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like, the everybody loves yell.

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Listen, I read all the posts and stories.

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Everybody's talking about blind whatever.

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And like a centralized organization

and all this stuff, I'm like, you

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get candidates over to that.

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And like, I would, more than happy to do

whatever it is, you know, like,

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I mean, you know, honestly,

I just like that it won't happen.

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I don't know what to tell you, but, so,

so but I do really like yours process.

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Specifically what I was reading just,

So what do you guys.

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what we do is we, Well,

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let's let's backtrack a little bit.

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So, when me and Apple did was

we're putting this time

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together is honestly me

to figure out what our rubric is.

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And, you know,

rubric is super important to us because,

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yeah,

that kind of gives our comp an identity.

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And that's what teams look for.

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when applying for a top position.

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and so, you know, once we kind of bake

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ami break, as long as we could,

you know, put it in the application form

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so that teams know exactly, you know, what

we're looking for from them.

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And then we kind of started a process of,

putting out a diverse application.

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So we let anyone apply, obviously,

and then based on some of the questions

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that we asked, the resume,

you know, we would move certain candidates

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to the interview process,

where we interview them in order

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to have a conversation about,

you know, how they view it.

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and then you creatively, you know,

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what are some, maybe some innate biases

that they might have based on their style,

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you know, where they did that

within their role and so on and so forth.

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So it's it's a lot of just like an open,

open ended conversation.

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And it just gives us

the ability to, to understand how their,

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their brain thinks.

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I think, and how they view our rubrics.

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and then based off those interviews,

you know,

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we'll select judges

that we think one represent.

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and the circuit will

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two are able to speak eloquently,

give feedback, really, really.

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Well, and three, you know, understand

the fact that, you know, when we select

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ideas for our, they are meant to be

an extension of our committee.

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They're basically joining our board as

some of the most important people on board

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because their integrity during that show

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is what is ultimately going

to give our top credibility.

470

And so we take the rubric and the judges

thing, like really, really seriously.

471

and, you know, we want to ensure that

we pick the right people to represent us.

472

And so that's our hosts in a nutshell,

have won enough.

473

I miss anything.

474

Yeah.

475

No, this is very involved

in the interview process.

476

And then they'll like,

we'll put it on paper and see, like,

477

if these judges match with each other

and then we'll go from there.

478

But I think he covered it all.

479

again, our judging process

was a shout out to RTR, again,

480

inspired by them, because they did that to

me and I really liked it.

481

So we brought it to our comp and

482

and I hope I'll,

I wish a lot of other comps would do that.

483

Like, we're not interviewing you, like,

we're not like drilling down on you, like,

484

what do you think about this?

What do you think about that?

485

We're just ask.

486

We're just having a conversation

kind of like this.

487

We just want to know how you like where

your brain is when it comes to like it.

488

like the way you see the circuit going,

the way circuit has been going.

489

So it's just really just to understand.

490

But I think most importantly,

we try to like, see how they speak

491

and if if they're able to speak

well in an interview,

492

they're going to be able to get good

feedback.

493

So feedback is very important to us. It's

494

I think I always say like the first place

team is so happy.

495

Like, of course they're going to have

496

they're going

to get good feedback from the judges.

497

But what about like the,

you know, the bottom teams?

498

How are they going to be more successful?

499

So it's really important to us

that our judges are able

500

to help them out as well,

because we want them, those teams,

501

every team that comes to our comm

to succeed at the future cons they go to.

502

So the only way they can do that is

if our judges are able to, you know, know,

503

pick their sides and help them get better

504

where they can go and place other comps.

505

So we try to think about like the future

as well, a little bit for our teams.

506

I think the other thing for us is like.

507

You know, when

508

when you have well-established

teams comes your competition

509

more often than not, more often than not,

they know what they're doing.

510

And so you really need

511

a judge to be able

to speak to someone at that level

512

and do them feel like,

you know, or, you know,

513

sometimes people aren't open to feedback

right after it, but maybe helping them

514

understand why they didn't place,

you know, is just as important and moment.

515

And so, yeah.

516

Selecting judges to match the level of,

517

the teams that are coming here.

518

I think it's also really key. So

519

it's definitely important

because I've been in those judges meetings

520

with some teams, and,

521

you know, you really need some people

who really know what they're talking about

522

and are well respected

and able to in order to be able to talk

523

to those people that are looking for

that feedback in that moment.

524

so. Anybody who has

525

judge, let's put that in there, do that

ahead.

526

There. You yeah. You,

you know, you know, you know. Exactly.

527

Yeah.

528

This is one thing I want,

I wanted to ask so one

529

I know of a few different competitions

are going through different ways to

530

give feedback.

531

in terms of,

532

you know, for example,

533

I remember one year

they had a thing where they had judges

534

like this one judge each table,

you rotate to all of them,

535

and then eventually you had

like a full 30 minutes with the judges

536

like that because they were, like you

said, different stuff.

537

then there was just like,

okay, you get ten minutes with the judge,

538

but then like XYZ 18 just, just like, no,

539

we're staying here for 45 minutes

and nobody's leaving until we go.

540

And then there's like,

I think now all of it is,

541

this year where they just said, no,

no judges meetings until like, tools.

542

I just kind of want to know, like,

543

like, what are your thoughts on that?

544

But ultimately I agree these

that's really important to like

545

it's just as like

546

I found this a lot

because you're in plenty of times

547

when I judge and I'm like to

I got 30s to like sing my shoe

548

and I can't, I can't,

I can't communicate this, I can't.

549

I'm like, I'm trying to like, distill

as much as possible, but like,

550

what I really want to do is just like,

pull up your video and be like, all right,

551

five minutes this happened.

552

And this is why I didn't

like it in Boulder.

553

I try to about like how it contrast

wasn't great and all this stuff.

554

And I want to like, nerd out about you

with your formations and stuff

555

in a time for that.

556

And so how do you balance the time

expectation that schedule expectations

557

and also the law,

like the same exact thing you said?

558

Like just feedback does really lead

to like future performance.

559

And if you as a competition create

a reputation like,

560

you know, the judges here smack and every

if you go to this competition

561

like you might not like the places

but like you will be set up for

562

success in the future. So,

563

where some like things or strategies

or ways

564

you sort of in order to like,

help move the feedback is.

565

Well, I mean, I was understanding

so I can bounce people over to this.

566

Yeah.

567

I think a lot it has to do with,

568

well, one like I was at Mila.

569

So I heard about the whole we're

having judges meeting after the comp.

570

So I'm serious.

571

get feedback on how that actually went

because that's, that's an existing idea.

572

but at the same time, you know,

573

regardless, someone's

going to come up to the judges

574

and start

talking to them about things at night.

575

So, yeah, you're not having it,

but you kind of are having it.

576

So the other party isn't doing it.

577

Yeah. Yeah. In here.

578

Let's. Yeah.

579

So, I think for us, like we don't

580

necessarily put a time limit on it,

you know, we want our to feel comfortable.

581

and, you know,

we want to just walk out of that

582

judge's

meeting room feeling, you know, satisfied,

583

so I can put a time limit on it.

584

But then again, at the same time.

585

Yeah.

586

I mean, you know,

you can't necessarily have an hour, but,

587

I think for us, it's like.

588

And we, we talk about this

and we struggle with this every year.

589

It's like,

yeah, timing of the competition.

590

Like I think Americans need to end by

591

like 830, 9:00 like this.

592

Every con is owned by like 830, 9:00

593

teams are back in the hotel

by like nine 930.

594

The latest judges

meetings are starting in.

595

You know, they're going for an hour

and a half, two hours, whatever it is.

596

And everyone still has enough time

to, like, enjoy their time.

597

So I think that's a neat part of it.

598

you know, so it's getting crazy

when like, and I've been a judge,

599

so I understand this.

600

It's like, you know,

you talk your head off for like 2.5 hours

601

and it's like 130 in the morning

and you're just like,

602

yeah, I'm just gonna go to bed.

603

So, I mean, want

I wanted to have a good time. So.

604

So, yeah,

I think turning it off, I'm really.

605

And then obviously like, for us,

like miniature, like, judges

606

signed on to be judges.

607

Our comp, like, you have to be open

to giving feedback after the competition.

608

Like,

609

you have to be able to

give your notes, set up time when people,

610

you know, we're going to skip shares

or sheets, you know, all that good stuff.

611

My show on the Satisfied,

post competition.

612

So if we can't do it

in that initial judges meeting,

613

you know, we'll definitely ensure it

happens, you know, then that first week.

614

So that's something that we do.

615

But yeah,

it's it's not like the best system.

616

But I think the biggest part of it

is really just ending your show on time

617

and giving yourself

enough time that night to.

618

I know you're not honest.

619

I never even thought about that

because I was I right?

620

Like,

621

if you're if your comp ends at eight,

like you can have two hours of judges

622

meetings and like, everybody's still in,

I don't like going to sleep

623

or waking up or whatever at a normal time.

624

And yet you're right.

625

Yeah.

626

Our last performance is like 815, 830.

627

Our last competing team.

628

And then it takes like 30 minutes,

like settle the show.

629

But last year we ended at like 9:00

and our hotel was five minutes away.

630

So you just got one back.

631

And then, I mean, it was hard.

632

I do remember like yelling.

633

I was like, it's only nine.

634

I yeah, I can like it.

635

I was.

636

Screaming, wake up! And then yeah.

637

oh, oh I'm an old man.

638

Yeah. in like, not, not not so good.

639

Yeah.

640

Well,

I think along with, how we encourage

641

good feedback is also

I think has to do with.

642

So timeline wise, our competition

last year

643

happened in April and of early April.

644

Our first judges meeting was in January.

645

So we had our one and only captains

meeting with the judges and the teams in

646

January that give the teams three months

647

to prepare, set to our rubric.

648

So now that the judges and me and the

major have explained the entire rubric to

649

the teams

and they are building their sets,

650

or they're modifying their sets

towards our competition and our rubric,

651

and then when they're

at the judges meeting,

652

I think they can already know why

they didn't like place.

653

I think it has.

654

It really has to do with that.

655

We were really up front with our rubric,

and when we had our judges meeting way

656

beyond, like, you know,

I think any other comp does these days

657

and it helps with like expectations,

the team's expectations and like,

658

well, connect expectations

they have from the judges.

659

So if you're building yourself for Bata,

you know why you didn't win.

660

Like yeah.

661

Because you like knew about it

from such an early early on.

662

So I think I think I would recommend comps

to have earlier judges meetings,

663

maybe have one again if you want to,

just to like refresh for the judges.

664

But like it doesn't help

when the judges meeting is

665

like three weeks before the comp.

666

Like three weeks

is not enough time for us to redo our set.

667

But three months is.

668

So, like,

I think everything like that also helps

669

us, create

good, good expectations for our teams.

670

Therefore they understand like like that's

I just meetings are not that long.

671

Like no one has ever stayed

for 30 minutes.

672

And they, Yeah, they're always like,

I mean, people are upset and things.

673

And then there's a pause about it,

but it's but,

674

but I think this last year

was really smooth.

675

To go into just time management.

676

And, actually,

now that, you know, right now,

677

you guys are going

to the registration process,

678

what are some things you can tell

me about when it comes to

679

timing or

680

registration, like how runs costs,

all that stuff.

681

Like you kind of went into that.

682

How can you talk to me

like as early as possible?

683

but what are some other things

that you think are really important

684

that you're not seeing as much in the past

year, right.

685

I don't. I'm. Sorry.

686

I just have one when I finish things like,

687

we haven't done it yet,

but we will do it.

688

We like to announce our judges

before our deadline

689

so people know what they're applying to.

690

So that's like,

691

I think something that's really important

in the registration process,

692

which

I think a lot of comps are doing now.

693

So I really like that.

694

But you can go, let me think.

695

I think for us

it was also just about like timing

696

everything correctly

so that, you know, once line up is hit,

697

you have won like a bunch

and a lot of time to builders.

698

I understand

699

the regret character just happened

and you just meeting with the captains.

700

I think we also like, you know,

if there's anything that's unclear

701

on the rubric,

we have time to tweak it, you know?

702

Okay, this wording seems weird.

703

you know, judge

A, do you have a changing effect?

704

PDP, so on and so forth. Okay.

705

We're going to rewrite

just flying the rubric.

706

Send it out to everybody,

make sure one's on the same page.

707

and then you,

708

I think, is giving teams enough time

to like book flights, the whole deal,

709

like giving them the best shot

and also I and the cheapest flight

710

so that they're not,

you know, get selected.

711

And so we got to book

flights immediately,

712

you know, before maybe they have it

put together and whatnot.

713

So, yeah, Tanya's

definitely a big thing.

714

and how we spaced everything out, right?

715

For ourselves at least.

716

So yeah.

717

Well, we're going to wrap up in March.

718

That's how starts March. Yeah.

719

Yeah.

720

So we do we give give teams

and us three months to like figure it out.

721

I think that's the time

that's worked for us.

722

And we've done this

for the past three years.

723

And we're going to do it again.

724

so from the day you pick your lineup,

you have three months

725

until the competition. And that's

726

that.

727

We spend our entire three months.

728

So immediately

after we select our teams, me, the Army

729

and the captains,

that team have individual group chats.

730

So it's not just like one captains chart.

731

It's individual group chats with her

and they're constantly

732

communicating with us

so they know our names.

733

They know who I am. You know who this is.

734

And we don't even bring in the liaisons

until like a week before the comp.

735

But me and this may make it an effort

to get to know the captains

736

and answer any questions

they have leading up to the competition.

737

So at the end of the day, if anything,

by the end of it it'll become our besties.

738

So like that's how like, like you

just we just like really get to know them

739

really well.

740

So we do that.

741

I think that's really important because

sometimes you don't even hear from like,

742

the director until the week off.

743

But we're like very involved in the

process.

744

with every team,

745

whether that's like

746

getting the gold letter to help

or I write a letter for NJ

747

because they have to have a letter

to like, come through.

748

So it's just like the craziest,

weirdest stuff.

749

Or it's like, hey, like,

can I ship something to your house?

750

Like, I need it for the stage.

751

So like, we're there every step of the way

for the teams in any way possible.

752

I think a lot of teams, some of the teams

will be like, we need practice space.

753

Like we'll pay for it,

but can you just like director?

754

So we'll like,

try to finding practice spaces for them.

755

And sometimes I mean, we do sometimes,

756

like, we try our best.

757

I mean, I'm not going to say we're 100%.

758

So we try as best as we can.

759

So I think that's like the timeline.

760

The registration will end.

761

we have like early on a date.

762

Luckily, there's no middle one.

763

18th and then two weeks later,

just like every comp,

764

March 3rd and then we have a really quick

turnaround.

765

We're going to tell the teams, like,

766

I think in the next 2 or 3 days

that they're in,

767

we're not going to make them

wait that long.

768

Okay.

769

So just

so they're like ready and prepared.

770

But yeah, I don't know if that answers

your question one thing.

771

So actually I kind of like that. Yeah.

772

One thing that,

773

I mean, if we're talking about earlier

today was like so registration processes.

774

Yeah, I think the registration process

on our end.

775

But take a minute here and just gripe

about, teams submitting their athletes.

776

Yeah.

777

Shoot shoot.

778

Let's get out.

779

Let's go. Hey, Sam, talking to you.

780

Unless Sam White, sending it.

781

And then you get a really good audition

video really does make a great sense.

782

And by graduation video, I'm not even

talking about, I'm going to talking about

783

the clarity of the video,

the lighting in the video,

784

the sound in the video,

785

you know,

they don't send me, like a four £0.20,

786

you know, in a garage

with my head like this angle.

787

This side. Weird thing.

788

I know my my favorite thing.

789

So I judged the Avs for Derby City

and like,

790

somebody just like colorful, like,

you know, like,

791

am I just like, all the brow in the corner

and we're all like,

792

yo, why am I looking like,

how involved will you do it?

793

Y'all? Like, right here like this.

794

Crazy like, yeah, yeah, yeah.

795

So I think I just like little tips

and tricks,

796

you know,

like we're obviously not going to

797

we're going to watch your video

for your dancing, but you know, it helps

798

you like everyone's

799

wearing the same colored pants

and everyone's the same color shirt.

800

And your video is like on tripod,

you know, like you

801

just someone can hold it to

it doesn't matter.

802

But the lighting is good and it's not like

car lighting in the bag flashing.

803

And then you're like, silhouettes.

804

but yeah. So I think that's important.

805

I also think like from a clubs

perspective, like when

806

you're writing out your registration form,

it doesn't have to be that long.

807

All you need is a name and email

808

or phone number

and the link toward their audition video.

809

We don't need anything else.

810

And as a club,

you don't need anything else.

811

Like why would you want to know?

812

Like the name

and their birth dates, their signatures?

813

Like, what are you gonna do that?

814

Like you're telling like teams that aren't

even getting to provide all that?

815

It's it's

so useless you're gonna throw it away.

816

So, yeah, we just asked for a name.

817

Email, birth, not birth name. Email.

818

Hey, how many people do

you think is going to come?

819

They're like 25. Okay, cool.

820

So that's it. Like.

821

And then we ask for a logo

because we use it for like

822

or like a video, but that's it.

823

Like two links.

824

And at the time

they're like we'll email it.

825

So I'm like following up.

826

But regardless, make it like really easy

for teams to apply to your account.

827

Like it's not

828

I don't need to log in to their emails

829

and they don't need to do all that stuff.

830

So yeah.

831

The people don't like filling out forms

that won't.

832

you know, some of these stories,

allegations, forms are getting crazy

833

like, what does

what does I'm sorry, Marilyn Monroe.

834

What does Marilyn Morgan need to you, bro?

835

I don't fucking know.

836

I'm just.

837

I'm trying to judge like it's

nothing to me.

838

Like, I was like, I like it.

839

It's like a cool calm.

840

There's, like, kind of close by, like,

I like the, I don't know. I.

841

Yeah, I think I did.

842

I think we asked that question.

843

No I cannot off enough.

844

Oh okay.

845

Well I don't know if I will.

846

We are coming to you.

847

Maybe we love reading.

848

you think how. Us but.

849

Yeah. Yeah, yeah, it is it.

850

I think it's just like our own,

like ego booster at that point.

851

Yeah.

852

It was like, oh, my God,

you guys are so sick.

853

Like, I love you guys. Texas greatest.

854

The greatest, right.

855

Like, you know Greg Abbott and he's

the best, you know, like oh okay.

856

Okay.

857

I got that right. Yeah.

858

We got to go here.

859

Oh, row. Guys, guys. I'm wearing.

860

What am I wearing?

Like, always a little things.

861

but okay.

862

oh. 16 Reg,

863

I have a

you added a thing about tech time flow.

864

Best practice.

865

Please

866

enlighten. Yes.

867

That's so comedy.

868

Like mixer is important to us.

869

And we try to have, like, fun with it and

try to bring like our unique twist to it.

870

But Saturday, which is most cops comp

days, is the most important day for us

871

and the most important day for our dancers

and our teams.

872

So I want to emphasize that

873

we try to make it as a stress free

874

experience for the teams

as much as possible.

875

I mean, you were there during tech time

like no one was yelling.

876

Everyone was like very calm.

877

So that I think that's really important

as a committee and as a board

878

and a director, you should not be adding

more stress to the teams.

879

You know, I'm not saying

have that walk all over you.

880

That's not right.

881

But like don't stress them out.

882

I'm like, hey, hurry up, let's go.

883

I'm gonna cut your tech time

if we're not there, blah blah blah blah.

884

Like, hey, I'm going to cut your mics

midway.

885

You're not finished with it.

886

Like, if they have a minute left,

let them finish it.

887

It's totally fine.

888

You as a comp, you have to build in

time to know that that's going to happen.

889

Like, we have five minutes from them

to walk from that door to that door,

890

and they take five minutes

to lock on that.

891

So it doesn't.

892

But it's like I would recommend building

out like a very detailed schedule.

893

And when we go over this in our captains

meeting the night before.

894

And like I give them a piece of paper,

it tells them why don't you come down

895

when they're going to go on the shuttle,

when the how long the walk, like

896

they're going to walk

from a point to viewpoint

897

and they're going to it's

going to take them that time.

898

So everything is very detailed.

899

So we we, we give our teams

everything they need to be on time.

900

And I think in return

they all have been on time.

901

Like we've had a very on time tech time.

902

And it's like one of the biggest feedbacks

we do get.

903

So I think like building a very

detailed tech time schedule really helps.

904

Like it only takes us ten minutes

to get from our hotel to the venue.

905

But we've added 20 minutes

because who cares?

906

Just add it in there

907

and then maybe, maybe some team will need

that extra five minutes

908

to finish out their tech time.

And you have it there.

909

So like I think that's what we do it

on our end.

910

To avoid stressing out the teams, avoid

cutting like tech time in the middle.

911

Like we give you a routine 20 minutes,

but if it takes 21, it's okay.

912

Yeah. You don't have to like cut.

913

You don't have to, you know,

it doesn't matter.

914

Yeah.

915

Yeah, absolutely

I like I remember doing that the,

916

the you know the one

917

I was like doing the little

like the leverage the one like.

918

Well this three minutes left you,

give you 45 minutes to run a zip line.

919

Come on dog, this is crazy.

920

Like this is I don't finish there. Yeah.

921

They're like high on energy

and they're kind of like yeah.

922

You know, they like mentally

prepared to do this run through.

923

And now you cut up in the middle.

924

So I think like I mean be strict with time

because obviously time is money

925

because you literally rent out the theater

for a certain amount of money.

926

But but like also think about the teams

like this is the most important day

927

for them that weekend.

928

So and teams are slow like no offense

you always.

929

Yeah.

Well there's a lot of. Like dilly dally.

930

Oh my.

931

Say to take time like t shirts and shorts

and like

932

that was it even sometimes

we don't even use props right now.

933

Like not part of the attire now.

934

It's like Charlie and like.

935

Lulls after warming us now,

936

before like, yeah, I seen the

you know, the drill.

937

So I think it was like a ritual.

938

Yeah.

939

You know, give them enough time

940

because it's like herding cats

and sometimes you just go with.

941

The herding cats is crazy.

942

Oh, man, that's a great.

943

Oh, I mean, I love our teams and they're

very like they're very respectful

944

and they're very on time, but we account

for their lateness all the time.

945

Like we account that some guys

are going to be in the bathroom.

946

And yeah.

947

I don't want to

948

on this because Alamo is one competition

that I see

949

seemingly gets just the greatest amount

of shared ability.

950

Like, for example, like somebody

might be really mad about placings

951

or like how it judges

says something or this

952

and that in like every other competition

I've ever been.

953

And immediately directors head off

saying the Arkansas like it is like

954

it's just like the hinder button

that like, fuck the cup like that.

955

That is a button that we just love

hitting.

956

Okay. And

957

Alamosa, one car

that like that button is almost never hit.

958

And obviously it's a lot of it

is because of good planning and things.

959

Yeah. Yeah. No.

960

Like cross those fingers.

961

Nothing happens this time. But, like,

962

I would like to say

963

that I think one of the reasons

why there is

964

so much variability

965

is not just because

you guys are from the motor circuit.

966

And I like people in general. You know,

967

but I think it's the communication.

968

Your level of communication

that I've heard is unparalleled

969

to any little competition.

970

And the only competition I can command

971

because I haven't competed with you guys

at this competition.

972

But is is chess with God?

973

I was like almost hitting

texting like every day

974

that, hey, it's 343 days before the comp.

975

Are you okay? I'm like,

y'all do not like the relax.

976

but what what are some differences in

the communication that you guys implement?

977

First of the communication

that you've seen from other competitions

978

and that you think you've addressed in

maybe some ways.

979

And I think you should

improve the application because I think

980

that is key to success is just

981

making sure everybody's like,

982

I got a on top and not like from from

an outsider's point of view.

983

Like I think that's who

I think that's you're like magic.

984

Magic basically does.

985

Yeah.

986

Bring.

987

Yeah.

988

I think I think for us,

or at least for me personally,

989

I think it really just begins with

990

it begins and ends with our team

and team that helps one point.

991

I mean. Yeah, or or whatever.

992

But you know, it's it's really

everybody who's on on board

993

and on staff

and volunteering and or liaisons.

994

We make it like very,

very abundantly clear,

995

like guys like we want to treat like

996

every single person that comes to

our account is our family member, right.

997

Like we're having a giant reunion.

998

We're all related.

999

One, make sure everyone has a great time.

So experience is like one of our top key

metrics is like regardless

if they don't place or what have you,

but they have to have a good time.

Like how do we make sure they have a good

we have conversations with liaison like,

you know, find out whose birthday it is

on that theme, like

what kind of, you know, what can we do

extra to make someone's like,

you know, day better or what

have you or their experience better?

Because, for example, last night,

me and Phil, you know, share this on

like some of we were all at dinner

and we were literally just like,

reminiscing about the great experiences

that we had at competitions, right?

Like, oh, you know, you remember

we went to fever this and this happened

and that happened.

Did yes, had a good time.

And not once did we talk about

when placing we got

like that

wasn't even part of the conversation.

It was about like,

who would we be at the after party was,

you know, just the overall

great experience that we had

and, you know, with each other.

So, you know, we take that

and like figure out a way

to make

a really good experience for a team.

So how do you like have the dining table

at, you know, deejay when they were

they get together.

They talk about data

and wanted to be a positive experience

whether they place or not or whatnot.

So I think from a

it's like really just understanding

that our team needs to make sure

that experience over everything.

And I think that trickles down

to communication

and being like upfront, being out there

and making sure everyone knows who you are

so that if there is an issue, they can come back to us and we can take care of the.

I think,

I think, I don't know,

I think it's just everything from like

and like you said, like Kendall would text

you every day, like I do the same thing.

Hey, have you booked your hotel?

Hey, I know you haven't booked

because I see the list.

I'm going to ask you anyways,

so it's like,

I think they'll do hotels and like,

can we get like.

And obviously like, teams

wait till the last minute and

I every year this happened teams

wait till like the very last minute

to book hotels and

and then like we are block fills up.

So like

are we going to just say no or my are

we are me

and you're going to go talk to the hotel

and get my room.

So like I think that like just like

we just I think

communication and like

I just think we never say no to anything.

Like we always figure out a way

to figure it out.

And we tell our liaison that to like,

if your team needs something,

just just go do it like it's

I know sometimes I like really stressed

like, why do you need 20 days

but like just go by for them and

and if they don't pay you back, like,

we'll figure out a way to get your money

back.

Like, it's like it's just make it

as seamless as possible for the teams.

And I think I don't even think we do

anything extra in regards

to communication.

Like, I know we like detail everything out

and we have like group chats,

just like most comps do, but.

Then.

I, I don't know, I think

maybe we just put ourselves out there and.

I think it's that,

I think it's that I really think

it's just the fact that like,

we're like the thing that you mentioned

about, you don't you don't even like lube

and liaisons until like,

yeah, before nine individual

and of course like oh two

the liaisons are my, the, the person

I'm interfacing with most often.

Like, yeah, I'll add that to it

seems like a long time in person in charge

just all the time.

And if I need something

like it's not like the liaison talks

that their committee board talks to you,

it's back and forth.

It's just like it's very like,

I need something. Hey.

And you just say I got like,

we'll we'll figure it out,

I think.

Yeah, I think, I really. Think it's that.

And yeah, like reasons are a great source

of like help during the weekend.

But they really don't need to be involved

in like

in like things

that teams need prior to that.

Because most of our liaisons

aren't sometimes known right answers.

They don't have the same experiences

that I may have had in my journey

with Bermuda.

So when I think about it,

the person is going to understand me.

Like,

if you're the team who doesn't understand

you or not, you're going to the most

is me or the Schmidt, because we've been

very like, that's why

we put ourselves out there first.

And and I'm not saying you have to be,

like, knowledgeable

about Bangla to be like,

get help, answer all these questions.

But like, maybe like,

take out the middleman.

You don't need seven middlemen

in the middle to get the answer.

Just like be the direct person

for for any team to get answers from.

We're also we're also like in every group

chat. Right.

So it's like a team liaison.

Yeah. And us

so we have visibility to that.

And then you're talking

about what the issue is. And so

we'll chime in.

But yeah we're like any outlets

that I just don't add it.

So we

we typically always have the captains

and us me and mishmash up until the week

up and on Monday, the week of the comp

will add the rest of the team.

And that's

when the phones are just blowing up.

It's crazy to be on our end.

So then what be like

if you really need me, just call me

because

I'm not going to go to eight chats.

But I try to.

But regardless, we're like in it.

Well, we're always watching. Yeah.

So if anyone needs anything,

we figure out a way through.

Yeah.

We also we also put like our timekeeper

in our weekly too.

So like someone who's literally in their

job is just sitting at a computer

looking at our detailed minute

by minute schedule, we can go

and they'll be like,

they'll message the group or is on like,

hey, you downstairs

in the next five minutes for your shuttle

only isn't that worried about

when I don't need to go hunt?

There's just one person in there.

Focus on everything.

Like yell

message Nienaber about this manager,

you gotta go get this van at the site

or you got to go and, you know, boa

plate a late night right now, so on.

And so like Central Command on

that's like you kind of say yeah, yeah.

Yeah. Like and that person

just sits on that computer.

Maybe if you're here next time.

Although it's, is that person over there

doing absolutely nothing.

We're just on their computer

and they watch plays.

They watch for a landing.

They're like they know like

oh right. Delayed.

We gotta figure out something for them.

So like we have like one person or two

people

really focused on keeping us in check

the entire weekend time wise.

I used

that helps our comp on in time too.

So that's that's.

Like I mentioned like,

I think somewhat helps us with

communication is our group is very small.

We have like maybe 7 to 8

people on our board

and that's all we need.

And so no one's giving you different

information because our group is so small.

We all have the same information.

And what helps us keep like a line

is we have weekly meetings

where, leading up to comp,

like I think two months before the comp,

we'll have these weekly meetings

where we talk about

what everyone's assigned to, like,

how are the shirts

going, how's the food going,

how are the fights going.

So we like we share it.

We're very open with our entire team.

We don't we don't keep

we we tell like where's fundraising at?

So I think because we all share everything

with our group,

we're all on the same page.

And therefore we were like giving everyone

the same information.

But small

teams is the way to go in my opinion.

Yeah. So there's not.

A 100% agree.

I used to be on competition board.

so the classic competition is for called

paired up.

And I would always be complaining

as we do this, this organization

is literally a hundred people.

I'm not 100 people.

I was like,

this is this is completely unnecessary.

I am losing like, yeah, go on about that.

one thing I wanted to ask.

So Alamo

famous for its mix it

meaning

probably the most vocal participate.

And there's I got a mix.

I, I haven't been on Alamo mixes,

you know, like noodles

or like, even even like like me, cash.

And we usually like,

also on be like anti mixer train

with me for now

because of the time that they're like not.

Well I think so.

What do you like, what do you like.

So like, what do you guys do there. Like.

Like what?

What are you doing to, like,

make the mixer experience worse for me?

Not passing or not going,

you know, like, because, like, in

all honesty, like, my name is on the time

and, like,

it's like I'm me as team captain

or like dancer person is like,

I like rap is like some line up for me.

So I love I'm just like, you know,

let me go.

Leave me alone. Yeah.

Yeah. Exactly. Exactly. So.

Oh, yeah.

Like, in some ways all mixes.

And how do you guys like ones that you do?

I'll tell you, you can talk about it

in my apple, but I'll, I'll do the,

I'll do the,

I'll do the big picture stuff.